Reply to William Finck’s, et al, Round Earth Roundtable Discussion

     As a Christian Identity adherent, who has and is studying the issue of whether the Earth is a sphere spinning around its axis at over 1000 mph at the equator and spinning around the sun at over 67,000 mph,[1] I took exception to the ranting and raving I heard directed towards me and others like myself, found on the podcast titled, “Round Earth Roundtable,” at Christogenea.org which can be heard here.   http://christogenea.org/podcasts/round-earth-roundtable.

     Ironically, Finck uses a CGI of the round Earth put forth as an authentic image of the globe NASA want us to believe is the Earth. Not too difficult to fool Finck it seems.

     Disagreeing with much of what Mr. Finck, and other participants of the “round table discussion” said during this podcast, I find it necessary to reply to some of the statements made during the discussion for several reasons, reasons which will be discussed throughout this missive.

          On the site where the podcast is available, are the statements:

          “Is our planet Earth flat? Probably not.”
          “Should Identity Christians care if the Earth is flat? Probably not.”

          Probably not? Why is Finck hedging here? Is the Earth flat or isn’t it? Should we Identity Christians care if the Earth is flat? Again, he uses the word “probably.” Well, what is it? Probably not, maybe or yes we should?

          “Identity Christians should keep themselves above and away from all of the fringe conspiracy theories that discredit our cause, distract us from what we should be doing, and drive people away from our core message, which is indeed true.”

     Apparently, it is Finck who determines what is and what is not a “fringe conspiracy theory” that the rest of us should “keep ourselves above and away from.” As for me, I am not going to let Finck dictate to me what I can or cannot study. Neither am I going to let Finck decide for me what I should or should not be doing.

          Here’s a written portion of Finck’s opinion about what and what does not have a place in Christian Identity found in his opening remarks:

“First, I want to talk about an issue that has come into Christian Identity circles …. and this issue has no place at all in Christian Identity: because no matter what the shape of the earth is, it has absolutely no bearing on the fate of our people. It has absolutely no bearing as to what is happening to Christians, and when I say Christians, I mean White Israelite Christians, on what is happening to Christians in the world today. It doesn’t matter if the earth is round, flat, square, if it looks like a Rubic’s Cube, if it looks like a baseball bat, IT DOES NOT MATTER. There are some things that Identity Christians, some arguments, some disputes,  that are so stupid, and irrelevant, and disconnected to our reality, CI adherents should not get involved in them at all. And when the mainstream everyday people see you as a freaking quack, you’re never going to get the important components of your message across to them. We don’t give a damn if the earth is a pancake, a Petri  dish, a basketball, We don’t care. If we want to get the truth of our Christian Identity message over to people, we should stay away from the quackery.” 

     According to Finck, if “mainstream everyday people see you as a freaking quack,” we are never going to get the important aspects of our (Christian Identity) message across to them. Apparently, it is Finck’s opinion, (and it is important to note that it is nothing more than Finck’s opinion), that Christian Identity adherents, if we want to effectively get our message of racial Israelite Identity, as found in Scripture, out to everyday people, we should avoid being seen as “quacks” involved in “quackery.”

     Technically, quackery is defined as “the methods and treatments used by unskillful doctors or by people who pretend to be doctors.”[2] So, why Finck used the words “quack” and “quackery” to describe those of us interested in ascertaining the truth of the Earth Yahweh created for us to live upon, escapes me. Nevertheless, the point he seems to be trying to make is, we should avoid appearing as “quacks,” or “conspiracy theorists,” or “nut cases” to “everyday people” if we hope to reach them with our message.

     Finck says we should appear to “mainstream everyday people” to be like they are, we should appear to others to be normal people who don’t involve ourselves at all in “stupid, and “irrelevant” issues “disconnected with our reality,” in order to get the Christian Identify message across to these same “mainstream everyday people.”

     Off the top of my head I can think of several issues we Identity Christians should then, using Finck’s “logic,” avoid at all costs if we do not want to be considered “quacks” by “mainstream everyday people:” Adolph Hitler and the “evil Nazis;” the holocaust hoax; the fact Israel pulled off 9/11, to name just a few. In the hopes of avoiding being labeled as “conspiracy theorists,” “tin foil hat wearers,” “nut cases” “lunatics” or “quacks,” shouldn’t we avoid being involved in any way with these issues too?

     I know for a fact that I am considered by many “mainstream everyday people,” to be a “quack” for my speaking the truth about these named “Conspiracy Theories,” and yet I never once thought I should avoid speaking the truth about any subject whatsoever for fear of what others might think of me. Frankly, I don’t care what others think of me. I’m going to speak the truth, in love,  about any subject I think Yahweh wants me to speak about, including a stationary non-spherical Earth, despite William Finck’s opinion to the contrary.

          That said, there is a way, a means by which these subjects can be brought up with “mainstream everyday people.” One of those means is to start out by showing concern for the welfare and wellbeing of those we are trying to reach with our message. By doing so, others tend to be more open to our ideas and opinions once they get to know us and know we genuinely care about and for them. After all, it is first and foremost Christian Identity.

          Having had significant personal interaction with Finck over a period of several months, I can attest to the fact Finck lacks even basic concern for others or their opinions. All one has to do is express an opinion that even slightly differs with his, and you’re immediately placed on Finck’s “Ass Hat Clown List,” which from all appearances, appears to be quite long. If your opinion differs with his, even slightly, your opinion is not only wrong, you’re a “clown,” and your opinion, because it differs from his, lacks any merit whatsoever.

          The truth of this observation can be seen in his response to flat Earthers: nothing they say has any merit? Every single problem spherical Earth deniers point out concerning the globe theory we’ve been presented, unchallenged, all our lives, are without merit? After several months and hundreds of hours studying the spinning spherical Earth theory I accepted, unchallenged, all my life, I find this position not only ridiculous, but contrary to Scripture.  

     “Prove all things, hold fast to that which is good.”[3] Prove “all things,” not just those things that “mainstream everyday people” find acceptable, or that William Finck thinks we should not involve ourselves with.

     “You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.”[4] Not some of the truth, but “the truth,” sets us free. Sets us free from what? Certainly knowing the truth sets us free from what others think of us because of our opinion about certain subjects, including the shape of the Earth Yahweh created.

          To even begin to delve into many “components of Christian Identity,” to use Finck’s terms, requires an open objective mind and critical thinking skills. Finck, in my view, has prematurely answered a selected list of the weakest arguments from a very limited number of spherical spinning Earth deniers, (really just a single “flat earther” - Dubay), before he has studied the matter sufficiently to develop an intelligent position supported by facts, as is clearly evident in his statements found in the roundtable discussion he hosted.   This is folly and shame.[5]

          Should not Finck exhibit the very same unbiased open-mindedness in his approach to the flat earth subject that he expects others to use in their examination of the doctrines of Christian racial identity, Adolph Hitler, the holocaust, etc?

          One does not have to accept every single teaching of every single Christian racial identity teacher or historical revisionist. One should and must examine all things taught by these teachers, use their God given critical thinking skills to vet out what is contrary, in their view, to Scripture, and hold onto what they prove for and to themselves, to be true. This includes William Finck’s teaching. Finck, in my view, is wrong in many of his views, the spinning, rotating spherical Earth being just one of many. Does that mean I reject everything Finck espouses? No.

          The idiom, “Throwing the baby out with the bath water” comes to mind.

          Same principle applies to teaching concerning the shape of the Earth. Do I agree with everything everyone who has taught me concerning the Earth? No. My study of the subject showed me there are many flaws and problems with the spinning rotating spherical Earth position. That has led me to question what I thought I knew about the subject, just like I did when I studied other “conspiracy theories” like the assassination of JFK, the moon landing, the “evil Nazis,” Adolph Hitler, WWII, the alleged holocaust, 9/11, etc.

          Finck isn’t suggesting that we’ve been lied to about all those other “conspiracy theories,” by the Jewish controlled media, but we were told the truth concerning the Earth we live on, is he?

          Something more going on here than meets the eye.

         One biblical subject found in Genesis  1 has always been a mystery to me: how does the firmament mentioned in verse 6 fit in with the Earth as a spinning globe theory? In my opinion, the spinning rotating Earth theory does not work with a firmament. However, in the stationary flat Earth model, the firmament makes perfect sense.

          Keep in mind, that up until 500 years ago, this was the model accepted by all “mainstream everyday people,” many of whom were very scientific, better educated and more intelligent in many ways than many of the so-called Scientists, the High Priests of the Religion of Science, of our day. For one thing, they possessed common sense, something quite lacking in many people I know today. Does it feel to you like you're spinning around at several hundred miles per hour? Does the moon look like its 242,000 miles away? The Science Priests call what they believe Science and the followers of Science believe what they are told. That is not Science; that is faith, a belief system of the New Religion of the Age, Science.

          Finck then goes on to attack Eric Dubay and his PDF “200 Proofs the Earth is Not a Spinning Ball,” labeling Dubay a “race mixer,” a plausible (possible?) Jew, a straight clown and a liar.” I’m not going to defend Dubay, as I have had my run-in with him, being banned almost immediately from his forum, The International Flat Earth Research Society, for attempting to share the truth of Scripture related to the creation of the Earth.

          Further, I too discovered the book Finck mentions written by Carpenter.[6]  

          However, Finck is mistaken when he states, “From what I can see, Carpenter is not even mentioned on Dubay’s website.” Carpenter’s book is mentioned here: http://ifers.boards.net/thread/28/100-proofs-earth-globe-ebook in a post dated Mar 3, 2015.

          Eric Dubay isn’t the only person promoting flat Earth. If one wants to attack the merits of the non-spinning, non-rotating spherical Earth deniers' ideas, why not chose those who have a less anti-Christian position like Jeran of Jeranism? Or the pro-Christian, pro-Scriptural  positions of Rob Skiba?

          Finck, attacking the “race-mixing possible Jew” Dubay and his “200 Proofs” as if his “proofs” are identical to all other flat Earther’s views, is disingenuous. Other proponents of the stationary level Earth theory have several if not dozens of legitimate arguments. Why didn’t Finck, et al, examine those other more relative and stronger points? Is it because Finck, et al, have already made up their closed minds? Hypocritical, is it not? 

          Finck then proceeds to attack Ernest Pierce, whom he refers to as “a supposed Christian Identity so-called pastor, the clown just showed up a couple of years ago,”  who has made this “flat-Earth drivel” one of the centerpieces of his so-called ministry, which, in Finck’s opinion, all it does is discredit “real Identity Christians.”

          I know nothing of Ernest Pierce, and am not here to defend him, but what if the flat Earth, with a firmament, is not “drivel,” as Finck claims? What if it turns out we don’t live on a spinning spherical heliocentric globe? What if, Yahweh forbid, Finck is wrong? Is Ernest Pierce still a “so-called pastor clown with a so-called ministry?”

          Or is it Finck who is the clown with a so-called ministry?

          As stated above, all one has to do is express an opinion that differs from Finck’s dogma, and one is a “clown,” a “lunatic” a “quack,” or worse.

          Don Spears is the next victim of Finck’s junkyard dog like attack. He refers to Spears as “that Baptist ass-clown from south Alabama, who’s claiming to be an Identity Christian, and he’s really just fooling himself,” who, because of his “big ego and bad eyesight,”   was prevented from doing his own video podcast on the subject of the flat Earth, and instead hooked up with Mark Sargent, whom Finck claims, “is a Jew who has infiltrated and is trying to co-opt the so-called flat Earth movement for his own design.”

          Although one may disagree with Don Spear’s King James Only position, as I do, does that entitle one to publicly attack him as a “Baptist ass-clown from south Alabama, who’s claiming to be an Identity Christian, and he’s really just fooling himself,” and having a “big ego and bad eyesight” for reasons he had an interview with the alleged Jew, Mark Sargent? How is Finck’s typical attack-dog approach going help in reaching “mainstream everyday people” with the Christian Identity message, that Finck himself seems so concerned about?

          Starting at about six minutes in, Finck continues his pro-spinning rotating heliocentric spherical Earth and anti-stationary flat geocentric Earth firmament encased rant with many unsubstantiated claims. For example, this “Mark Sargent character, who is a Jew, has “infiltrated the flat Earth movement and is trying to co-opt the flat Earth movement for his own designs.”

          What evidence does Finck give in support of this allegation? Finck certainly does not provide any evidence for such an opinion, and that is all it is, his opinion. And this is just my opinion; because of his big ego, Finck believes his opinions are more valid than anyone else’s opinion on this subject and many other subjects, subjects he knows little about.

          Finck continues giving his opinion: “One problem with some of these flat Earthers is this: “They latch onto many so-called conspiracy theories, which actually have credibility and they add ridiculous flat Earth and other equally ridiculous so-called conspiracies to them, which simply discredit everything  they purport to profess. It is very plausible that they are doing this on purpose, so that, by associating  flat Earthers with holocaust revisionists, or those who are aware of and try to spread information about Jewish media control or about Christian Identity …. or about those who doubt the existence of dinosaurs or evolution or anything else, are thereby seen as flat Earthers, lunatics, to be discredited in the eyes of the general public.”

          As for sharing flat Earth theory to the general public, I have found, through personal experience, unlike Finck, it is actually easier to discuss the opposing theories regarding the Earth, than it is to even bring up the subject of the holocaust, because when one does bring up the holocaust, the general public has been trained, (by the very same Jewish controlled media Finck refers to), to immediately label you as an “anti-semite,” a "holocaust denier,: "hateful,"  or,  and this may be the worst of all,  a “Nazi.”

          I find it much easier to have a discussion with friends and acquaintances about the Earth and whether it is spinning or stationary, flat or a sphere, simply because when discussing these subjects, one can point out anomalies existing right in their world that gets them questioning their beliefs. And many, many more people are interested in the physical world around them affecting them daily, than they are about something, like the holocaust, that did - or didn’t - happen to the Jews over 70 years and they see as having no affect on them whatsoever.

          Then, once they start questioning the view of the world they are standing on, their eyes and minds are more open to the idea that they have been lied to about many other things, including the true identity of the Israelites in Scripture and even the so-called holocaust. From this vantage point, it is easier to segue into “components” of Christian Identity doctrine, and or the truth of other so-called “conspiracy theories.”  

          From personal experience, the truth of the matter is exactly the opposite of Finck’s opinion.

          “Christian Identists who promote flat earth, (that includes me) actually discredit Christian Identity; they think they are smart, but they are actually idiots.”

          There it is again: if you don’t believe EXACTLY like I do, you discredit Christian Identity and are an “idiot.”  If I am not mistaken, Finck just called me and those who think like I do regarding the non-spinning, non-rotating stationary flat Earth, idiots.

          The stationary flat Earth covered by a firmament is arguably the “Mother of all conspiracy theories.” If someone should start out by coming to the correct knowledge of this “Mother conspiracy theory,” how is calling them "quacks," "lunatics" and "idiots" going to endear them to the message of the lesser “conspiracy theories,” like the Christian racial Identity message or the fact that Jesus was not a Jew?

          7:40 seconds into the podcast Finck states: “Eric Dubay is an absolute liar.” He then goes on to offer what he believes is evidence in support of his claim that Dubay lied and deceived others by responding to Dubay’s item #45. That “evidence” is the fact, that only took Finck “30 seconds” to discover, is that “Quantas Airways has a direct flight from Perth, Australia to Johannesburg, South Africa that is 11 hours and 30 minutes. You’ll find that South African Airlines has a direct flight that is 11 hours 30 minutes.” Well, if Finck would have spent more than 30 seconds investigating the subject, he might have discovered the actual truth of the matter.

          If Finck would have spent just a little more time examining this issue, like I did, he may have discovered those flights quite likely exist only on websites and not in reality.

          Did Finck actually book a flight on those two airlines that say they have these flights? Can one actually take those flights, or are they merely listed to make people believe they can fly around the spherical Earth on a direct flight? Why would an airline, if they could actually fly directly between those two cities in 11 hours and 30 minutes, have the option of flying between the two cities on a fight that takes twice as long, consumes twice as much fuel and, quite likely, is more  expensive? Why in the spherical spinning world would a passenger choose the more expensive longer flight, 10 hours longer, over the less expensive flight of shorter duration?

          Does that make any business sense to you, for the airline or the passengers?  

          Did Finck take the time to find out if anyone else has actually taken those flights? With all the current attention given to the flat - globe Earth debate taking place, quite likely, if anyone has indeed taken those flights, one of the passengers or crew would have posted some information by now on the internet as to their validity? How does he know those flights are, in reality, actual flights? The answer is, of course, he did not research the matter fully and therefore does not know for a certainty that those flights actually take place. To use Finck’s words, “Do those listed flights actually exist? Probably not.”

          In my view, that is pretty unstable grounds upon which to call someone a liar and a deceiver, but then again, Finck is quick to condemn anyone who disagrees with him.

          One may also notice, rather than suggest that others take a look at Dubay’s “200 Proofs” or even Carpenter's "100 Proofs" and decide for themselves the merits or demerits of those proofs, the listener is simply expected to take Finck’s word that the entire subject is “quackery” and anyone who entertains the idea we live on a flat stationary Earth is a “quack” and an “idiot.” Finck has spoken and there is nothing else to know about the subject.         

          At about 16 minutes in, another unidentified speaker starts offering “proof” in rebuttal to some of Eric Dubay’s “200 Proofs.” I think it best to postpone any more of a Reply, until Part Two.

         Meanwhile, I'll be recovering from Finck calling me a "quack" and an "idiot." Ha.

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[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_orbit

[2] http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/quackery

[3] I Thes. 5:21.

[4] John 8:32.

[5] Proverbs 18:13.

[6] http://ifers.boards.net/thread/28/100-proofs-earth-globe-ebook

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The Righteous Are as Bold as a Lion

The wicked flee when no man pursues, but the righteous are bold as a lion.   Proverbs 28:1

Sometimes it is beneficial to read the text in more modern or contemporary English. Here’s one:

The wicked are edgy with guilt, ready to run off
    even when no one’s after them;
Honest people are relaxed and confident,
    bold as lions.

     The wicked are not attacked “ no one’s after them,” because they are doing what their enemy wants; evil, sin. The wicked are all ready under captivity. The are right where their enemy, satan, the adversary, wants them. They are slaves to sin. “For when you were the servants / slaves of sin, you were free from righteousness.” (Romans 6:20)

      But they do run away from an enemy: their conscious. They know they have transgressed the law written in their hearts, and feel the quilt.  Their guilt keeps them from godly action and is the cause of their turning tale even when no one is confronting them.

Jeremiah 31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, ³² not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord.

³³ “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. ³⁴ They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

On the other hand, the righteous, when they transgress the law written, confess and turn from their sin, knowing that their God has forgiven their iniquity and does not remember their sin.

The righteous are not just bold and act with courage because they have not sinned, because if the say they have not sinned, they deceive themselves and make God a liar, and the truth is not in us; (I John 1:8 -10).

The righteous are bold because they know their sin has been forgiven.
Psalm 103:12: 

As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

One does not have to be sinless to be used of God. Moses slew an Egyptian and hid him in the sand; (Exodus 2:12) and yet God used Moses to deliver His people out of Egypt, out of slavery. David, “a man after God’s own heart,” committed adultery (2 Sam. 11:4) and murder; (2 Sam. 12:9) and yet David is mentioned in Hebrews 11:32 as an example of faithfulness to God. Paul, before his conversion, “outraged the assembly, entering into each of the houses, dragging away men and women he delivered them into the prison. (Acts 8:3 Finck Translation) Saul/Paul was also present at the stoning of Stephen. (Acts 7:58).

God uses those who confess and turn away from their sin and understand that their sin has been forgiven.

But the heart of the matter sin goes much deeper than the confession/repentance cycle:  the men God uses are those who admit their sinfulness, their nature to sin, or as Paul explains in Romans 7:18: 

For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) dwells no good thing: for to will (to do right) is present with me, but to  perform that which is good I find not.”

The righteous understand the teaching of Romans chapters 5-8 which ends with Paul’s exclamation:

³¹ What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?^{3 33} Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
³⁴ Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
³⁵ Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
³⁶ As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
³⁷ Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
³⁸ For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,³⁹ Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

     With this mindset Paul was able to endure all the sufferings listed in 2 Cor. 4:8-10 and 2 Cor. 11:23-28, including fighting with beasts at Ephesus. I Cor. 1:32.
     This understanding of the truth and promises of God in relation to their sinful nature – and their sin - is what makes the righteous bold as lions.
     The temptation is all around us today more than ever. Many times we succumb to that temptation, and then fail to confess and turn from our transgression. Consequently we lose our boldness, we lose our willingness to fight the good fight of faith.

“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. ….. he is the propitiation, the satisfaction for our sins, and not for ours only, but for the sins of the whole (Israelite) Society.” (I John 1:9; 1 John 2:2)

The fight we are battling in is one of faith, “against spiritual wickedness on high.” (Eph. 6:12) Believing the truth and promises of God regarding his faithfulness and promise to forgive us our sins is what will make us as bold as lions in this day of adversity. 

The wicked flee when no one is pursuing,
But the righteous are bold as a lion.

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Vikings Were the Tribe of Dan

You've no doubt come across the fool who only is interested in giving their opinion? Those who are not interested in understanding what you have to contribute to the conversation, especially evidence or facts that contradict their current views? These fools are aka "know-it-alls."

I was musing on Proverbs 18:2 lately which I believe describes this person perfectly: "A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself." In the NIV - "Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions."

I've observed the Odinist Viking/Norse pagans often fall into this category. I could not understand why any modern day White person would want to be a pagan Odinist until a friend of mine told me there is a jew program on Talmudvision called The Vikings. That explains everything: these dumb White people have been programmed by the jew.

On Talmudvision, the pagan Vikings are shown as strong, courageous, tough bad-ass mofos, while Christians are shown as weaklings, turn-the-othercheek wussies who follow a mythical jew god and believe a book filled with myths and lies. No matter how much fact or reality one points out, these Viking/Odinist/Norse pagan worshipers are not interested in understanding where they may be wrong, but are experts in Cut & Paste discussion, which they believe passes for debate.

The fact is, the Vikings were from the Tribe of Dan. Everywhere the Danites went, they named places, (place-names) rivers,  way marks, etc, after their tribal leader, Dan. Hence we have ".... the Udon, the Don, the Dnieper, the Dniester, the Danube, Macedonia, Sardinia, the Eridanus (the Po), the Anodanus (the Rhone), the Codanus Sea (the Baltic), Danzig, Scandinavia, Sweden, and Danmark, to say nothing of countless others in the British Isles. 

Norsemen were a branch of the Danes. They migrated north from Danmark into Norway and Sweden. They later became known as Normans. 

No need to go further here into the background and history of the Tribe of Dan and their kinsmen Benjamites, who are believed to have settled Iceland and Greenland. There are other sites and articles such as The Danes, Normans, and "French" Canadians, Your Heritage, by Bertrand Comparet,
that go into much detail regarding the Tribe of Dan and their migrations into Europe. You might also find these maps and supporting text interesting and germane to the topic, I do. Lost Tribes of Israel Study Maps, by (appropriately enough) Daniel Walsh.  

Don't be taken in by jew propaganda regarding the true Israelites. The jews are not the Israelites of the Old Testament. The White race is, the Caucasians who settled Western and Northern Europe and then further migrated to Iceland, Greenland, North America, Australia, South Africa, Canada and built Western Civilization and what is known today as the Developed Nations, as contrasted to the undeveloped or non-White, non-Israeltes nations. 

Don't be the fool as described in Proverbs 18:2: instead, seek to understand first and not just a giver of your opinion. Nobody cares about your opinion. 

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Are You an Israelite Sheep or a Judeo-Christian Sheeple?

There are well over four dozen references to sheep found in the Old Covenant (Old Testament or OT) and the New Covenant (New Testament or NT) Scriptures. What is one characteristic of sheep? Sheep follow each other. 

This missive discusses the difference between true Israelite sheep and judeo-christian sheeple. Israelite sheep tend to examine the Scripture without bringing to their studies any preconceived ideas. Israelite sheep examine the biblical text, including the original Hebrew and Greek texts, especially  the original Hebrew and Greek texts, and not just the multitude of English language versions of translations; the context wherein those texts are found, use proper exegesis, and come away with an accurate interpretation of what the Scripture actually says, despite what the text says, and not what they want it to say.   

A true Christian Israelite will “prove all things, hold fast to that which is good.” I Thes. 5:17. 

Judeo-christian sheeple, on the other hand, tend to only read their bibles, if they read them at all, superficially. Rarely do they dig into the meanings of the words they read in the Greek or the Hebrew, the languages the Scriptures were written in. Having lived in four different countries, all using a different language, Spanish, Thai, Arabic and Korean, I have learned first-hand that getting a proper translation from one language to another, is not an easy process. Using the wrong word, when a different word could just as easily have been used, quite often gives a totally different meaning to the text than the intended meaning. Translating the bible from Hebrew and Greek into English is no different; wrong English words are often used, leading to entirely different understandings by the reader than what was intended by the author. Judeo-christian sheeple tend to ignore the additional meaning words used in Scripture may have, and thereby miss the true meaning of the passage. 

Judeo-christian sheeple also tend to ignore the context of the passage under examination.  For example, the book of Romans was written by Paul in the first century A.D., to Romans, not to the 21^st century Mongolians, or the Aborigines of Australia. Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin, the Romans were one of the tribes of Israel. (Judah) This is the context of Romans. Taking Paul's message to the Romans and appling it to any other non-Israelite tribe is simply error. It would be like writing a letter to a family member, and someone, outside your family, applying to themselves the contents of that letter. You would think that application to be ridiculous. But that is exactly what millions of judeo-christians do when they attempt to apply Scriptures written by Israelites, about Israelites, for Israelites and to Israelites, to any other people.

Judeo-christian sheeple also tend to look around them, at the other sheeple they associate themselves with, and don’t see many Israelites. They don’t see any mega-churches that teach that the 12 Tribes of Israel are actually the Anglo-Saxon-Scandinavian-Celtic-Germanic and kindred peoples of the world. With this limited world view, they erroneously assume the Christian Identify message can't be the true interpretation of Scripture. Jerry Falwell didn’t teach this message. Pat Robertson doesn’t teach this message and look at the mega-ministry Pat Robertson has; surely Robertson and all those millions of his followers can’t be wrong, can they? John Hagee’s Christians United for Israel is a worldwide ministry reaching millions of judeo-christian-zionists and raises millions of dollars for Israel every year. Hagee and all those millions of judeo-christians can’t be wrong, can they? 

Or can they be wrong?

Let’s examine Scripture together, shall we? 

The use of sheep as a metaphor for the people of Yahweh are used by the Psalmists, for example,  “For he is our God; and we are the sheep of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand.” Pslam 95:7. “Know ye that the Lord he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.” Psalm 100:3 and Psalm 119:176: “I have gone astray like a lost sheep;”

The most famous of the psalms is, of course, Psalm 23: “The LORD is my shepherd,” obviously indicating that the author of the psalm, King David, himself a shepherd, also considered himself, metaphorically, a sheep. 

References to the Israelites as sheep are also found in the major prophets, such as Isaiah 53:6: “All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.” The image of a sheep before her shearers is used to provide us with the submissiveness with which Yahshua Christ willingly yielded to his oppressors in Isaiah 53:7: “He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.”

The prophet Jeremiah refers to the Israelites as “scattered sheep” in 50:6; as “scattered, devoured sheep" with “bones broken”  by Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon in 50:17. 

The priest - prophet, in exile in the land of the Chaldeans, Ezekiel, talks of the Israelite “sheep (who) wandered through all the mountains, and upon every hill, yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.” Ezekiel 34:6. He predicts the Lord God  “will both search my sheep, and seek them out.” Ezekiel 34:11, and verse 12: “As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.”

In Micah 2:12, Yahweh uses sheep as a simile,  for the tribe of Jacob, and when referring to the remnant of Jacob "among the nations in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep” in Micah 5:8. Zechariah 13:7 refers to "scattered sheep of Judah" when the shepherd is smitten. 

Notice, every single mention of the word sheep above, taken from the OT, refers to Israelites. No other people are included. Notice particularly Pslam 95:7: "Know ye that the Lord he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.”

“We are his people, the sheep of his pasture.” Connect this psalm with Amos 3:2: “You only have I known of all the families of the earth;” Verse 1 of Amos 3 shows the context of this verse, i.e., who this family is: “Hear this word that the LORD has spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought out of the land of Egypt.” Only one family did Yahweh bring out of Egypt; the family of Jacob/Israel. Only one family has Yahweh known of all the families of the earth; the family of Jacob/Israel. 

How much plainer does it have to be? If there is a problem interpreting the meaning of these verses, the problem lies with the person doing the interpretation, not any alleged difficulty inherent within the text. If there is a difficulty understanding the meaning of these verses, the difficulty is in the refusal of the student accepting  the clear meaning of the passages, not the passages themselves. 

Moving into the New Testament, the NT being the only portion of the bible many, if not most of those trapped within the judeo-christian cult actually read, we find numerous uses of sheep as a simile for the members of the family known as the twelve tribes of Israel. 

“But when he saw the multitudes, (while Yahshua went about in all the cities and villages of Judaea – see Matthew 9:35; that is the multitudes were Judaeans) he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd.” Matthew 9:36

“And Jesus, when he came out, saw much people, and was moved with compassion toward them, because they were as sheep not having a shepherd: and he began to teach them many things.” Mark 6:34.  The context is the same as in Matthew 9:36, that is, in Judah. 

“And Jesus saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.” Mark 14:27, quoting from Isa. 53:5, 10; Zechariah 13:7. 

Yahshua Christ used sheep in many of his parables, including: Mathew 18:12, 13 and Luke 15:4-6.

Christ refers to himself as “the door of the sheep,” John 10:7; as the “good shepherd,” John 10:11 and 14, that he “lay down his life for the sheep.” John 10:15. 

Who are these sheep? The Israelites of the 12 Tribes of Israel. 

Further evidence that the sheep are the Israelites of the 12 Tribes of Israel is found in Yahshua Christ’s instructions to his disciples recorded by Matthew in 10:5,6: “Go ye not into the way of the heathen, and into any city of the Samaritans enter not, but rather, go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Judeo-christians like to ignore this Scripture, the very words of Yahshua Christ himself, explaining in clear unmistakable language to what people he was sent to: “I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Matthew 15:24. Nowhere in all of Scripture is this clear statement contradicted.

I’ve had numerous judeo-christians quote Matthew 28:19, the passage they like to call “The Great Commission.” “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations ….” They say everything changed after the resurrection. That the gospel was, at that point in time, no longer limited to just the jews, (sic) but was now available to all the nations, (the KJV uses a Latin word, Gentile, which they want us to believe means non-jews) because the jews had crucified Christ and thus rejected Christ as their Messiah.” 

These same judeo-christians will also most often admit that Jesus Christ is the same "yesterday, today and forever,” but that He changed his mind on the most important message in all of history – and the gospel of salvation - which was promised exclusively to the 12 Tribes of Israel, his people, the sheep of his pasture, the one family of all the families of the earth that he knew – was now open to the vast heathens throughout  the world. 

Nothing could be further from the truth. 

Let’s take a closer look at the word nations used in Matthew 28:19, the "Great Commission" passage. The word is ethnos, (Strong’s G1484) and the meaning Strong’s gives it is; a race, as of the same habit, that is, a tribe, same nature or genus, people group. 

Thayer’s (Eighth Edition – Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament) the definition of ethnos given is: 1. A multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together, a company, a troop. Swarm. 2. a multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus. 3. Race, nation. 

When one takes this Great Commission command, in context of the entire Scripture, the race, or multitude of individuals, the nation of same habit, the tribe with the same nature, or people group is clearly the 12 Tribes of Israel, the same family called the scattered sheep in Zechariah 13:7 and Ezekiel 34:12. 

What did Yahshua command Peter to do to show his love for Christ? Feed “His sheep.” It should be clear by now who “his sheep” were. Peter, following these instructions of Christ, addresses his first epistle to “the elect sojourners of the dispersion of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia.” In tThe KJV we have: “to the sojourners scattered throughout …” Who are these sojourners scattered through the Mediterranean Sea area? James tells us they are the “twelve tribes which are scattered abroad …” James 1:1. 

What was the message of Peter to these sojourners scattered abroad? “For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.” 1 Peter 2:25

If Matthew 28:19 meant all the nations of the world, the Mongolians, the Africans, the Chinese, the Koreans, the Thais, the Cambodians, the Polynesians, all the other peoples found on the planet, then he would have used a different Greek word, allophulous, foreign, of another race, (allos - another, phulon - a tribe) the very word Luke used in Acts 10:28.  

If Matthew 28:19 meant all the nations of the world, the Mongolians, the Africans, the Chinese, the Koreans, the Thais, the Cambodians, the Polynesians, all the other peoples found on the planet, then all the apostles disobeyed the command of Christ, because none of the apostles went to any of those peoples. There is no record of any missionary journeys to any of these non-Israelite people by any of the apostles. Zero. Zilch. None. 

There is no historical record of any of the apostles writing any epistles to any of those peoples. Where is the epistle to the Chinese? The tribes of Africa? The natives of Peru?  The Mayans?  Zero. Zilch. None.

The message of Scripture is clear: “I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Christ told us “Other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: (not here in Judaea) them also I must bring and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold and one shepherd.” These “other sheep” were the sheep scattered throughout the Adamic world, the area around the Mediterranean Sea, the very area Paul went to on his three missionary journeys. 

We were warned by Yahshua Christ himself to “beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” And that he was sending out his disciples “as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.” 

We’ve been deceived by the wolves in sheep’s clothing, by false teachers, into believing that non-Israelites, non-members of the 12 Tribes of Israel, are the sheep Christ came to save.

Matthew 25 explains what is to take place in that day, that is, at the end of the age: 

³¹ When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:³² And before him shall be gathered all nations: (ethnos) and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:³³ And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.³⁴ Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:³⁵ For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:³⁶ Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

He shall set the sheep – the members of the 12 Tribes of Israel – on His right hand, and all the other people, the goats, on his left hand. 

THAT is what Scripture says. Whether you like it or not, whether you believe it or not, whether or not that is not what most people believe makes NO difference: THAT is what Scripture says and the entire context of Scriptures gives witness to this fact. 

It doesn’t matter what Jerry Falwell taught; it doesn’t matter if Pat Robertson teaches another gospel, it doesn’t matter if John Hagee doesn’t agree, and it doesn’t matter that the Scofield Reference Bible teaches doctrine completely contrary to the evidence laid out within this missive.

What matters is, “what saith the Scripture?”

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